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Warning: This episode touches on the topics of prostitution, drug addiction, and human trafficking – subjects that aren’t suitable for young people.

Laura first became aware of Judge Herbert when she attended the Global Leadership Summit in 2018; there was a short video during the Summit with Judge Herbert talking about his work in CATCH Court in Columbus, Ohio. She was intrigued by a story he shared about a conversation with his daughters about finding one’s Purpose in life… and then elaborated on the work he’s doing.

Judge Herbert explains that he’d gone through the book The Purpose Driven Life several times and had been frustrated, as he’d not felt as if he’d found his purpose. Then he was teaching his daughters and taking them through the book a chapter a week on Sunday evenings. This was frustrating, as well, as one of his daughters seemed determined to undermine the process. When he asked her why, she said it wasn’t a good study and she put him on the spot, asking what his purpose was.

Judge Herbert recounts stumbling through his response about his work on the bench, as a Judge… and hoping it was good enough. Later that night, as he prepared for bed, he prayed for guidance, asking “God, how can I serve you better? What’s my purpose?” He says after that, “things started happening.”

As a Municipal Court Judge, Judge Herbert oversaw domestic violence cases in his courtroom. He tells the story of one day in court, there were 36 cases brought before him and all of them women who looked broken and lost. The stories of their existence told through the bruises, cuts, burns, and handprints on their faces and bodies; and the men associated with their cases professing their innocence and explaining how it was all “their” (the woman’s) fault…

Then one woman came before him who had been arrested for prostitution and he looked closely at her and wondered why she looked like the other women – the victims of domestic violence? This drove him to do some research into the backgrounds of women arrested for prostitution and he began to see them differently and to ask different questions.

Laura reminds him of a previous conversation they’d had, where he explained shifting from thinking: “What did you do?” – what did they do to get arrested and land in his courtroom, to thinking: “What happened to you?” – what happened in your life that brought you here today?

He says it was a big shift in his brain to change his thinking and begin to recognize the trauma these women and girls have experienced. He learned to understand that in their lives, no one, no place, nothing is safe. He began to really recognize their fear and how, because of it, they will completely shut down, which means they aren’t open to help.

This new understanding sparked recognition that there was opportunity to treat them differently and create a different kind of court system for them, similar to approaches taken with persons who have mental health disorders, drug addiction, and even military veterans. Courts had been experiencing better outcomes in those arenas, so he believed he could change the way human trafficking victims are handled in the legal system.

In alignment with a bible verse, CATCH Court was born:

“You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;  to be made new in the attitude of your minds;  and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.” (Ephesians 4:22-24 — NIV)

CATCH stands for “Changing Actions to Change Habits,” and the women who go through this 2-year probation process have the opportunity, support, and resources to release the habits of whom they used to be and to become a healthy, new version of themselves. They have a safe place to live, surrounded by safe and supportive people. They have access to drug and alcohol addiction treatment, group Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and Trauma Treatments.

Laura notes that the work the Judge is doing is similar to how she defines leadership, in terms of influence. She says every single person has the opportunity to influence at least four people each day, and that number is likely much higher than only four! Influence may be as simple as where two people go for lunch on any given day, to bigger things like problem solving, beginning a new project, and changing people’s lives. CATCH Court is changing so many peoples’ lives and the implications and ripple effect is much deeper and farther reaching than likely any of them imagine. Lives are literally being saved, families reunited, and significant change is in motion.

Judge Herbert explains that many of these women and girls become drug addicts to numb themselves from the screaming they hear in their heads, which comes from the early sexual traumas they’ve been subjected to by people they should have been able to trust. Not one of them comes into the life of drug addiction, prostitution, or being trafficked by choice. He also stresses that regardless of where you live, human trafficking is happening, likely even within a mile or two of your home!

He dispels the thinking that human trafficking and prostitution are different, with the latter being less horrific, citing a statistic that 92% of the women in the sex trade are trafficked. They’ve been sold into it – often by family members, or by people (men mostly) taking advantage of a drug addiction or helping to create a drug addiction to keep them enslaved in the business. These women and girls are literally transported and flown to cities around the nation, especially when there are big sporting events, large conventions, and conferences… and you could find them in every hotel, airport, and conference center you see.

He now articulates his purpose as being here “to see and change the dialogue about how women are and have been treated since the beginning of time.” He clarifies that prostitution is not the oldest “profession” in the world, rather it is the oldest “oppression” in the history of the world. He feels driven to really look at people and truly “see” who they are and what they’ve been through, rather than taking the easier and more common path of judging and condemning.

To learn more about the work Judge Herbert is doing in CATCH Court, check out these links:

www.catchcourt.org

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Judge Herbert Bio:

Judge Paul Herbert is a lifelong resident of Columbus, Ohio and has been practicing law for 30 years. He and his wife Barb have raised two daughters. Judge Herbert is a graduate of The Ohio State University and Capital University Law School.

After a brief time in private general practice Judge Herbert joined the staff of the Franklin County Prosecutor’s Office and served as a trial attorney. In 1996 he assumed the role of Clerk of the Franklin County Municipal Court before being elected Judge in 2003. Judge Herbert was re-elected to that position in 2009, and again in 2015.

While serving as a Judge, he proposed a specialized program focusing on Human Trafficking victims who have been charged with the misdemeanor offense of solicitation. CATCH (changing actions to change habits) was started in September 2009. The results have been nothing short of miraculous. Women now have a safe path to exit this vicious lifestyle, they are being reunited with their families, not committing new offenses, furthering their educations and giving back to the community in significant ways.

In 2015, Judge Herbert was recognized by the United States Justice Department and received an award from Attorney General Eric Holder for his contributions in the fight against Human Trafficking. In 2017, Judge Herbert received the State of Ohio Courage Award from Governor John Kasich.

Isn’t it interesting that, often in our younger years, we feel as if we should be able to “Win the World in a Weekend!” Many of us get caught in the thinking that we have to really make a difference, make our lives count, and so we work, work work. Becoming workaholics, we disguise it as “passion,” and neglect or take for granted the things and people who really matter most.

If we are fortunate, and paying attention, as we grow and experience new things, we come to understand there’s more to life than the work we are doing. This is one of the personal stories Ed shares during this episode with Laura.

As a younger pastor, with a young and growing family, Ed had a sense that his family life was important, but more in the way of having responsibility for it rather than truly understanding it was intended to be a higher priority for his time and energy than his work in the church.

Laura asks him about a particular story he told in his book, One Small Barking Dog, about a powerful encounter with the Holy Spirit while tending to his wife who was not feeling well. The experience was beyond his imagination at the time but turned out to create a significant shift in his perspective on his “work” and what he was called to do in the world.

Ed goes on to share several nuggets of wisdom he has gleaned along the journey, including these:

  • Learning is like seeds; we need to nurture them and allow them to grow within us first, before passing along what we’ve learned.
  • A few minutes of stillness and quiet would re-energize him after a long day at work and before engaging with his wife and children.
  • God is everywhere all the time, and often his work is hidden; we don’t get to see what’s really going on in all things around us, but there is definitely more afoot than what we see.

As Laura and Ed near the end of a conversation filled with laughter, insight, and a few Bible verses, Ed shares this thought: “Everyone is in a battle. We have no idea what other people are going through, afraid of, challenged by, or working on… Simply be kind.”

He and Laura both share stories of when an opportunity to be kind presented themselves in their respective lives and how they responded. It doesn’t take much to change the course of someone’s day if we are paying attention to what’s happening around us and who we are with. And, in fact, those simple actions may actually change the course of someone’s life for generations into the future!

Resources Mentioned:

One Small Barking Dog

Other books by Ed Gungor

The Order of St. Anthony

About Ed:

Ed Gungor is a veteran pastor who focuses on philosophy, church history and current trends. He became a follower of Christ as a teenager in the early 1970’s and has been deeply involved in the spiritual formation of others for over forty years. Ed has a passion for authentic transformation; a phenomenon he feels is all too rare in today’s church.

As a kind of “church futurist,” he is constantly aware of the changing needs of the next generation of Christians, the ones who haven’t yet experienced spiritual formation. To effectively communicate the gospel to this group, he believes our notion of “destiny” in the American church needs to be re-imagined. Ed longs to see believers willing to abandon their Christianized versions of the self-important American Dream, embracing instead the miraculous, surprising, and contagious Christianity that comes when they see themselves as the servants of God who find their home with Messiah and his people, as they participate in the mission of God (missio Dei).

Ed is known for his down-to-earth, engaging communication style. With transparency and his own unique brand of wry humor, he cuts through the usual “church-speak”, gleefully slaughtering any sacred cows that distort the true message of Christ. He is the author of several books, including: Religiously Transmitted Diseases: Finding A Cure When Faith Doesn’t Feel Right; The Vow: An Ancient Path Of Spiritual Formation That Still Transforms Today; the New York Times bestseller, There is More to the Secret; and One Small Barking Dog.

Ed and his wife Gail have been married forty-two years. They have four children, eight grandchildren and live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Ed currently serves as the Bishop of the Diocese of St. Anthony (dicoceseofstanthony.com).

Making a big life change is today’s topic. Laura’s guest, Kyle Heeter, shares her personal story of finding work she loved, falling out of love with it, and eventually making her way into new work she loves, again! During the course of this conversation, Laura and Kyle examine their beliefs about what is possible for all of us. Be sure to listen to the end, or you’ll miss a fascinating discussion about energy healing.

Making a change is healing and a significant part of the journey. Even (maybe especially) when you know you have to make the change, but don’t always know exactly what’s to come.

What do you do when your comfort zone is no longer comfortable? Kyle shares how she’s learned to recognize the discomfort for what it’s saying to her. Her tips are sure to help you, too.

Taking time to be still and listen is key to paying attention. Today’s culture doesn’t always reward inward work and the decision to slow down and listen.

What do we do when we realize that some of our long-held beliefs aren’t right for us? It’s powerful to acknowledge and taking small steps can help you get shed what no longer fits. Subtle, small changes count and often lead to major transformation.

We can all relate about having confidence when we make changes. We want to feel good about it, but often worry that others may not understand. Kyle shares a personal story about how she was able to move past the fear.

Kyle shares her journey to becoming an energy healer and what it’s like to work with her. Part of her process is evaluating what the energy of your body is saying. She can then help to clear out energy areas and allow a flow of better energy.

It’s a process of opening to universal energy.

Contact Kyle:

Website

Email

Resources:

Atomic Habits by James Clear

The Field by Lynn McTaggart

The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton

About Kyle:

Kyle Heeter has worked as an RN/BSN in intensive care, emergency room, and family practice clinics for 20 years. Today, she is a Healing Touch Practitioner providing energy work both on-site and long distance through her private practice, Shift Energy Work.

Kyle has found her passion for healing in providing heart-centered, intuitive, and holistic energy work. She believes that with mindful intention, we can change our vibrational patterns and habitual responses in order to become whole and that we each have the potential and power to consciously participate in the process of awareness, change, and growth.

She lives in Fayetteville, West Virginia, with her husband and two incredible children.